Monday, November 10, 2008


Just one article on the vandelism that seems to be following the protests after prop 8 passed.

In addition to the article above, I would like to add a letter that I received this morning (LDS are often referred to as "Mormon"; the following letter uses both in referring to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). Kevin makes a couple of really good points:

Dear Friends,

In the aftermath of the recent election, we may find ourselves oddly on the defensive regarding our support for the Yes on Proposition 8 cause. Our young people have been especially subject to mean spirited comments by high school friends and teachers. We have nothing to be ashamed of. We did nothing wrong. In fact, we did everything that a civic minded American can and should do. I have put together a few facts that help me to appreciate our position better. For example:

  1. Mormons make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.
  2. Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then LDS voters made up 4.6% of the Yes vote and 2.4% of the total Proposition 8 vote.
  3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign. Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.
  4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.
  5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.
  6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Yes on 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Yes on 8.
  7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.
  8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).
  9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims – all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.
  10. Not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.
  11. The Church did not violate the principal of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDSChurch is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church as always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.
  12. Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do – we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.
Hold your heads up high – you did a great job on this most important cause. We will have more opportunities in the future to participate in our democratic process. Let’s remember the lessons learned and do an even better job next time.

These are my personal opinions and thoughts; any errors are mine and in now way reflect official Church policy or doctrine.


Kevin _________

I am sure that Kevin is by no means suggesting that any group of persons, religious or otherwise be the object of protest, but rather focusing on the LDS Church is ridiculous (my word) given the facts.

Again, I'm just sayin'.

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Boy Mom said...

Your posts on this Prop have been so helpful and informative.

S'mee said...

It's just nutso Boy Mom, just nutso!

flip flop mama said...

All of those things are so right on. It's just easy to target the Mormons because we are everywhere, I guess.

S'mee said...

Oy. I just wish the media would put some of these obvious facts on the news...thanks FF!

Robyn said...

The fact is out of 34 million Californians, we really aren't everywhere. We find ourselves because of our commonalities, but really there are so many people out there who don't know anything about the church except what they see on TV. Then when the twelve ask us to open our mouths and share with our neighbors who we are this is a big reason why we should.

S'mee said...


Kathy P said...

I was completely unprepared for the aftermath of this... lets just say homeschooling is sounding better all the time.

S'mee said...

Kathy, I kind of felt it coming, although I never presumed any one would desecrate sacred places, I figured there would be protesting, just not on Holy Ground. Nice. Lovely. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy about such a group of people who have no regard. I have long time personal friends who are G/L who are not happy about the outcome of the vote, however they also do not condone the actions of the protests on church grounds.

It gets down to those extreme edges of people in groups who just demand and do what they feel without thinking the majority of their group may not agree.